Talk:Jumba Services

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Contents 1 Concept 2 broadband 3 see also + links 4 Current products/services 5 Concept - part 2 6 Format suggestion 6.1 Option 1 6.2 Option 2 6.3 Notes 7 Decision on this article 8 No more jDSL

Concept

This page is a work in progress - nothing links here yet.

The idea is to move the (minimal) content from other pages (eg JumbaHosting, Jumba_Reseller_Hosting, Jumba Windows Hosting, Jumba_Business_Hosting, Jumba_Personal_Hosting, Scalix_Mail, JumbaVoIP, JumbaBroadband, JumbaDomains, Jumba Jumblog and then delete those pages. Only a few of these should have their own pages on the wiki (eg Gaming). The current wiki pages for hosting include prices, but it's better to link to the prices on the Jumba site. --Twz 20:26, 28 May 2007 (EST)

I like the idea and although there could be a lot more added to each article, this information should be kept to the main jumba site as prices change all the time and additional features and services can be referred to on the main site. The wiki should be focussed more on the technical explanation and detail. Aussiepete 20:32, 28 May 2007 (EST)

It's a good idea, the consolidation of the pages, but then I have some issues there too=p But while I see your point about linking to the main page, I have a few arguments which i'll keep till the forum is setup =p Jus lettin you know I'm here, but waiting till an appropriate communications method is established. Leginag 08:25, 29 May 2007 (EST)

Although the wiki discussion has its drawbacks, it keeps it all together, in the forum, discussion gets lost easily. Aussiepete 10:00, 29 May 2007 (EST)

broadband

not sure about the "definition of terms" and "See also" list - these should be in the Glossary page

I've moved the definitions out, I agree with that point. My intention with the see also lists are that they can be a starting point to access popular or main information articles about that product or service. Each of the other sections I see having at least 5-10 main articles linked in the see also section also. Aussiepete 21:45, 28 May 2007 (EST)

sounds good. What about swapping Links&Resources with SeeAlso? For me, the Resources is part of the article, and shld be under the main text, with SeeAlso off to the side - or even below? --Twz 22:58, 28 May 2007 (EST)

see also + links

I agree that "See also" and "links+resources" should be within each major section, but do they need to be in a table? Could we just have them as minor headings? --Twz 18:08, 11 June 2007 (EST)

Yeah I guess they could be, it makes the syntax a bit cleaner. My idea with teh links is to give an overview of the main 2-5 areas related to that topic without having to access them from a secondary page. This way all the most popular or useful articles are accessible all from one spot,then the same list can be duplicated and expanded on completely in the individual articles, I see the main collective article to only have 2-3 see also / resource links and the individual pages having anywhere from 10-20 depending on what's relevant. Aussiepete 18:35, 11 June 2007 (EST)

Current products/services

I think the article Jumba Services should list current services. Anything promised to be released some time in the future (eg. B in a B) might be ideas floating around or announced but may never get off the ground enough to have a full mention, and are sometimes just insider teasers until it is released. There isn't actually much information on these services/features anyway so I say delete them and add them as they are released publically and only if they are an actual service/product that can have information written about them. Aussiepete 23:15, 17 June 2007 (EST)

Absolutely! --Twz 23:24, 17 June 2007 (EST)

I think this article could still have a section for "Proposed services" or upcoming/teaser/developments where some additional ideas mentioned could be added, but this could have to change regularly and Jumba may not want to display some of the details until it's public, and some may be an embarrassment that wants to be kept under wraps or just forgotten about. Aussiepete 23:37, 17 June 2007 (EST)

Concept - part 2

I'm starting to think this "summary" article is too long, especially since the major topics have their own pages anyway. What do you think about each topic (Hosting, Broadband, etc) only being a few lines, and linking to JumbaHosting, JumbaBroadband.. The SeeAlso and Links/Resources on this page could then move to those articles. --Twz 20:42, 18 June 2007 (EST) Yeah I'm a little on the fence, I'm liking about where it's at now, yeah it could be culled back a bit. I guess it's not really going to grow much bigger, I think cut it back a little. I guess it does duplicate info a bit, but it makes it a central spot to find the main relevant articles.... not sure Aussiepete 21:16, 18 June 2007 (EST)

ALSO: JumbaHosting currently redirects to Hosting, JumbaBroadband to Broadband etc. It might be better to give JumbaHosting its own article (with some content from this page), and the Hosting page a very brief introduction to hosting in general. Same for Broadband, Domains, etc --Twz 20:42, 18 June 2007 (EST)

I don't like that idea, the information may as well be introduced in the blurb, how much do you expect there to be written about each of the topics? Aussiepete 21:16, 18 June 2007 (EST)

Don't you think the SeeAlso and Links could be moved from this page? Otherwise we need to maintain for example a set of broadband links on this page, and the same set of links on the JumbaBroadband page. --Twz 21:50, 18 June 2007 (EST)

There definitely needs to be a focus on what the articles are for - is the broadband talking about features of jumba broadband or just broadband and topics in general? or do we combine both and scrap the summary all together. Can the list of services simply be a one line with links like option 3 on ideas for the new Main Page. Features and extras can be removed and saved for the main article, see also and resources possibly remove but I see them as the most significant links, not a complete one. Aussiepete 22:07, 18 June 2007 (EST)

Format suggestion

Option 1

• Service name (linked to full service article, which lists all features, links, resources, details)
• 1-2 line blurb (what the service is with main keywords linked to articles of relevance)

Option 2

• Service name (linked to main article)
• 1-2 line blurb
• Summary of See also/Resources (2-3 primary links, not the full list of 20+ represented on the main article)

Notes

Maybe this article should be straight to the point, almost a table of contents. Cut out all technical jargon, one line for each service/sub-service. Now I'm just complicating things and convoluting it :) Aussiepete 22:07, 18 June 2007 (EST)

As usual, you're making a lot of sense. I think part of the problem is that we have no overall wiki direction. Some articles are about Jumba, and some are general web stuff. If I search for "IP address" I get general information, but if I seasch for "broadband" I get info specific to JumbaBroadband. That's why I wanted to have separate articles for "broadband" and "Jumba Broadband" --Twz 22:20, 18 June 2007 (EST)

Decision on this article

I have (again) read through all the discussion above; we've see-sawed a few times between filling it up (like it is now) or stripping it back to being "straight to the point, almost a table of contents". Given that each service has its own page, I think it should be cut back, and excess content moved to each page. Also, do we keep the colours? And if so, should each of the service pages also use the colours?

I'd really like to move this article into the main namespace (if we keep it at all). Can we come to an agreement about what we want for this page? (at least between Aussiepete, Leginag and Twz and preferably with input from Scott_T) --Twz 00:19, 3 July 2007 (EST)

I think the article is pretty much ready to move into the main namespace, linked from the side panel. Then we can cull it back and discuss further. I think the colours add a nice touch and would keep them. I do think what's there isn't too over bearing, some of the features etc can be removed for each article, but I still see a lot of value having 2-5 see also wiki links and 2-4 main web resources (maybe listed to the right of a summary blurb. No prices or extensive feature info should be listed here, it should be a launchpad for each service. A table of contents it culling it back a bit much, what's there now I think works for me if it was pruned a little more. Aussiepete 10:03, 3 July 2007 (EST)

IMO looks fairly good at the moment. Hosting and Broadband section look a little long in comparison to the others but I'm not sure what could be cut back. Colour possibly looking a little excessive for those two but if they were cut down should be fine as it looks fine on the others --Scott T 12:21, 3 July 2007 (EST)

I rather like it. Possibly link the titles to the wiki articles (ie make them clickable), a little tidy up on some of the articles and I think we're good to go=) Leginag 15:41, 3 July 2007 (EST)

General agreement then (with minor tweaks). If no objections, I will (or someone else can) move this to the main namespace, and link to it from the navigation panel. We can fine tune it from there. I don't think the titles should be links though - better to have the first line under the heading something like "see main article ..." --Twz 16:03, 3 July 2007 (EST)

Moved to main namespace --Twz 11:59, 7 July 2007 (EST)

No more jDSL

I removed Jumba Broadband from this article following the announcement on the forms, and moved some related pages to Archive namespace. The task started getting too big to do in one go, so hopefully I haven't broken anything. There's still a lot of tidying up to do with other DSL-related articles --Twz 19:29, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Seems unfortunate that yet another product has been "released", around and then withdrawn. Special:Wantedpages could be useful for tidying up. I might get around to going through them tomorrow unless I get sidetracked --Scott T 21:06, 21 January 2008 (EST)